. This has been going on for a long time, and he has had much time to process this, and as he said, he has been accountable, at least after he let go of his anger, to the elders. And Jesus does not need Willow Creek. August 7, 2018. That this has to be explained in The Church is unbelievable. Dee, is Julie a new commenter here? People so manipulated, though wounded, never quite understand what is causing the pain. Her courage will be an inspiration many others. Thank you for that comment, Lydia. there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. 1 in particular always made flirtatious comments. Should I be worried? Even as red flag after red flag goes up, we push them aside (btw, I now view red flags as the Holy Spirit calling out Warning, this needs careful thought.). Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. I would posit that there are at least two types of sexual abusers, and it appears that the narcissists seeking to traumatize people into submission outnumber those who act out irresistible urges. Nancy Ortberg remains affiliated as a board member and husband John Ortberg a prolific speaker, author and leader continues to return to be a guest speaker at Willow Creek for several years after they left Willow Creek? @ Lydia. BTW, one of the drawbacks with the current format is we dont even see recent comments from older threads. Is it not I, the LORD? If youre interested in seeing whether I qualify, you can check out my main blog to see what I write about. Still, i know these women and they are godly and credible. Again, I thought not much more of that conversation until years later when other stories emerged that included Ambien. -Behaviors went on for many years Ok. Same story we keep hearing again and again. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers eye. @ brad/futuristguy: The whole church is in our thoughts and prayers. It was a constant topic from a social psychological view. Im not out to defend Rob Bell, but Im not convinced that his view of hell can be called heresy, at least based on historical Christianity. I am thankful for the hard work Bill Hybels and his family have done. It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer.. I will tell you that the deception factor and the manipulation that went on with mega church staff is why I am not very understanding about anything that happens in them. When we finally did start talking, everyone called us liars. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. I looked down at the author. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. Hybels appears to be trying to fade off into the sunset now. Leaders who are ambassadors for Christ can cause crises of faith when they break the 3rd Commandment Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations Tyndale House Publishers InterVarsity Press (Chicago Tribune). We are to be tools in the hands of God. We still need to get together on that religious research thingie. It works but is it the faith? Of course not. To fellowship with other believers? From all angles. If/when he does come forward to confess and repent of past bad behavior, he and Willow Creek elders will no longer be viewed as honest and credible among the remaining members. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. Hybels' name should be mentioned, yes, but in a Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) sort of way, with seasonal or continuous confession and sorrow and repentance. The task is to not establish and maintain environments where such people can abuse without danger of being held accountable. If you ever get the chance find the book, Corporate Cults. Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? Thats a laugh. Are you really saying we would not judge anyone for anything? Either way, doesnt matter. https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2018/04/12/resource-bibliography-on-willow-creek-church-situation-and-bill-hybels-reported-misconduct/. Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors The Devil is destroying yet another church. Thanks Clockwork Angel! The question is why? Jesus Christ is the assessory. Prestige of Willow Creek? And then sometimes, you end up like me: done with it all, the system that props up people with give the title pastor, that is like fresh meat to the malignant narcissist. There is more to this story. I assume you mean well. It is also understandable why John and Nancy Ortbergs relationship with the Hybels took a nosedive. The church is doing fine. Publicado por Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback No worries. We got in deep, and had a very tough time when we got out. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. Sometimes I wonder if it is not their worst enemy. A quick glance at google and apparently hugging is drugging when it comes to the brain. For the whole world-system, based as it is on mens primitive desires, their greedy ambitions and the glamour of all that they think splendid, is not derived from the Father at all, but from the world itself. (1 John 2:16 Phillips), And then theres this: Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. I am still looking for the benefit to Nancy or the others for speaking upat all. Pam Orr and the previous elder (who was on the board as an HR consultant, today he is a Pastor at a Willow Satellite church) should RESIGN 1st. April 13, 2018. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. Nothing to see here folksmove along! Mary, read your Bible carefully. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. I believe Nancy Ortberg and I also believe the other victims who have come forward. How many people do you need to hurt with your judgement and accusations before it is enough? Dont get me started on how mega churches operate. Finally, we are told to have high standards for our teachers. So, as with what apparently happened at Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels having his emails removed, that wasnt really a great idea. I though this was sarcasm but maybe she really was arguing that Bill should have that level of influence on anyone-let alone everyone he was bringing along. yikes! Or perhaps some women get hugged one way or the other disproportionately for one reason or the other and therefore complain or not about hugging-ness. Or would he start looking for material for making a whip? This is VERY common. Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. I will leave you to your study. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. No idea the the Bible says, Do the work of an evangelist! * Scripture does not discuss it that way. I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. Now its over. At which she would perhaps be really smart to think that she could handle it herself without causing trouble in her marriage. Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. If someone thinks so, tell me how. There will be a full court press to save Hybels legacy. So sad. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? Just published over on Spiritual Sounding Board, a list of key links on Willow Creek/Bill Hybels situation official statements by individuals and organizations directly involved, Chicago Tribune article series, and other writers (mostly survivor bloggers) who offer summaries, critical analysis, and comments. Jodi may want to keep her resume refreshed. . 4:10-11 ESV), For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. It can happen. Most of the folks who comment on this blog are of that stripe in their comments, they express a great concern for ministers and ministries who appear more concerned about their mission than the Great Commission. But is that truthful? Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. Last Son Standing? Used their positions of power to gain access to women who had big dreams Think carefully. I believed, everyone believed, that he was one of the good guys, committed to fighting for womens rights, committed to our marriage, and to the women he worked with. Bob Buckner. He is the founder of the Willow Creek Association and creator of the Global Leadership Summit . @ Bridget: Hint hint. Ive been to Ephesus and it is just a tourist destination. What woman who may have had a relationship with Bill, but are now married, would want their name and reputation trashed? Parallel universe I suppose; different set of rules most likely. My guess is that given what we know now, she would not have been running with him. Hybels condemned himself. Nothing brings the True Believer attack dogs out of the woodwork like even the hint of Blasphemy against their REAL god. Yet, if this person is free to say what was done by J Ortberg and offer her (non-intimidated, threatened) perspective on it, how can she conflate that with others coming forward to offer a perspective on their experience? So thats why I was interested in this concept. But I now see how he used his relationship with me as a shield, both during and after our marriage, so no one would question his relationships with other women or scrutinize his writing as anything other than feminist. !) called Give Me That Christian Side Hug went near-viral. . Rags to Riches to Rags in three generations. That is a big part of the problem. This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. I have big concerns about lumping everything under that umbrella. is lynne hybels still married to bill. Time will tell whether WC was following Christ or Hybels. Another case of a desperate preacher caught with his hand in the cookie jar looking for an excuse and sympathy from gullible followers. I hope that you are correct that what was stated by Jodi Walle is not true. Nancys story is not outrageous to me. Once, while Mr. Hybels's wife, Lynne, and. There are a tiny few, a tiny few. This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. its all changed. Speak the Word when it is time and serve with love always. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Years ago, as a 23 yr. old a classroom assistant for a public high school in southern cali my boss wisely told me 1. I know that unwanted full frontal hugs was a part of abusive pastors manipulations of women in a small rural church. I dont know that I qualify in your estimation as a person of substance, but Ive been a reader/commenter on this blog for 10 years and have seen Law Profs post for a number of years and know some of his background. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions. Its ridiculous. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. We were in each others homes all the time. We would often rent out suites in hotels when there were medical conferences/ conventions going on. The plastic fish on the car in the church parking lot purchased at the church gift store. There is your real problem, right there. So call the best pastor you can, but the best pastor is the most Christ-like, not the most TV-ready. In my opinion this is sufficient proof to logically and reasonably conclude that Bill Hybels is guilty of clergy sexual misconduct and adultery, over an extended period of time. 1:17-25 ESV). She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 : Net Worth: The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. Why did I brush aside all of these things as if they did not matter?. You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. Publishers are pulling back for a reason. Let an outside, independent firm handle the information discretely and fairly. Very often, as you point out, in times of crisis, people respond in ways that reveal. I did respond and said that I loved Billy Graham I allow comments like this to stand so people can see problems I have experienced within Big Eva. As a consequence, I would urge caution in using thw word heresy with respect to this particular topic. (1) Discovery of 1,150 emails between Bill and the woman over the previous two years. And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? _____________________________________. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. Brad Brucker: Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. Why is it people cannot just go to work,college, etc, without the social safety net of artificial group belonging? I am going to add one further post that will be two pictures and then I will allow all these posts to stay for comment. Rats gnawing cables in two; While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. I know. @ Bea: What Hubris that is. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. The elder board and staff who enabled him are equally bad. Read the Bible Dee. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. And Im 49, a loudmouth, professionally trained in safeguarding& so on. Oh, absolutely. Tysvm Dee. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc A hint here, a casual comment there, Twenty Chess Moves in Advance. Lynne Hybels is the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois. Or, for instance, a pastor may be forever fishing to see what his parishioners know as to the latest church scandal, etc., without the trusting individuals ever even know this is taking place. Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it? Read this account posted by Vonda Dyer. But I believe the women who have been abused by Bill Hybels are telling the truth. That is not old school. And, no, it does not minimize their words concerning what Bill Hybels has done. not for this long. @ ishy: You forgot naked swimming, shower on the boat, and deleted emails. Once again, power is used to disrespect and mistreat others thereby inflicting invisible but very real, very painful wounds. The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. So, what led to the divorce? Narcissistic, abusive leaders are masterful manipulators, and even the most intelligent, cynical, questioning people can be taken under their spell without knowing it has happened. I would love TWW to enable me to get email notification of new posts and new comments on a thread I have commented on. But Hybels and Willow Creek kept moving forward. Tonight we wept in sadness for all the people closely associated with this story, yes, even for Bill and Lynn and for their adult children. If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. Oh yeah. Your boss? The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. No longer have their careers as a result of their actions The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. But here we are! I never saw a cross hanging in Willow nor heard a pastor speak out against gay marriage, women pastors or the slaughter of the Palestinians, etc . Not my thing. From the website, its all sunshine and lollipops but the mask is really starting to slip. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. I can assure her that never once was I assaulted, harassed etc. Emily McFarlan Miller. It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. Listen to yourself, Brad! But she was trying to equate her comraderly relationship with Ortberg the same as women who have come forward concerning hybels Behavior. If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. Its a very reasonable step for Mr Hybels publishers to at least suspend his books until a more independent investigation has been completed. Your comment covers a lot of ground I am all too familiar with. You expect typical bad rock star behavior, more likely, because thats the norm. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. The church and association are no longer paying Hybels a salary or other payments, according to the report, but a binding retirement agreement is still in place until 2020. Exactly. Weve heard it before Drugs made me do it Alcohol made me do it My wife made me do it etc. WTF? We have a problem with people who just do not care, apparently, that theyre engaging in classic rationalization techniques to minimize something that is quite serious. I allowed links and discussion on Jodis open letter despite the fact that I found it insulting to true victims. : I wonder if he knows? In hindsight, it is exactly as others have stated predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. My answer is quite simple. Bill Hybels has stepped down. And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. Really? Sigh. Its not. My bad for not being back in touch with you. I dont want to think poorly of John Ortberg too. Forgiveness/ redemption for the sinner does not mean acceptance of the sin, nor does it mean deliverance from the consequences of the sin. Hee hee. Read the Bible. I am not surprised at all that it will get ugly There are people that are totaly sold out to seeker sensitive approch. 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