Apparently it is, or was, a thing among certain Irish-Americans to signal their genuine Irishness by refusing Bushmills and drinking Jameson, supposedly the whiskey of Catholics and supporters of the Republic of Ireland. The cheap rustic stuff is often the best. Heres the real question why does everyone insist on handing us shots of jameson late night in colorado? So any Americans who believe this, should change to Murphys at once. When asked to identify "the term commonly used to refer to the historical period in which Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church," two-thirds of the general public (65%) correctly chose the Reformation. When Tug McGraw was interviewed after winning the world series in 1980, they asked him what he was going to spend his series winnings on. Bushmills released a statement saying:Its just one of the outrageous statements put about in an attempt to blacken our name. It wasnt an issue about who owns what. There was still a lot of Catholics in Scotland. In all the pubs in NYC, no one seemed to really care that I noticed from either side of the bar. so stop bringing religion into alcoholdrink what you like and leave the bigotry at the doorif people spent a few hours getting to know each other over a drink we wouldnt have half the discrimination we have today. I do believe Irishness & Irish politics is whitewashed for Americans and presented from a certain political viewpoint. Being good to people is the very best thing you can do for yourself. Should these facts come into the discussion when considering whether or not to indulge in a pint of the creamy delicious black stuff!? Right. Cocktail Kingdom Stainless Steel Julep Strainer, Kuhn Rikon 4-Inch Nonstick Colori Paring Knife, UPDATE: So much has been discovered since this post originally went up, about the dangers of quinine in people with quinine sensitivity. To those who want to talk about Catholic vs Protestant issues, at least go visit the country before assuming anything. All of it. DONT EVER ask an Irish person , north or south if they are catholic or protestant because they will look at you with contempt. I went to the Distillery in Tullamore(now a museum for the whiskey), it is now produced in Middleton, although it is no longer owned by Pernod-Ricard. ** Multi-national corporations, of course, know no religious or other loyalty, except to the almighty dollar/pound/Euro. . The Ambassador had both Jameson and Bushmills on offer. Mmmm..Middleton distillery. There is a rivalry, to be sure, but it is all about business, and not about religion. Please remember quite a few of you presidents from Grant to Clinton descended from this part of the world. Anyway, both of your sources are wrong, but at least your father got the order right. Jamesons one-time MD (CEO in the USA) was Andrew Jameson. Go figure . The waitress stared at me, and said in her thick brogue, This is an IRISH pub. I looked at her and said, okay, Ill have a Harp. Here in Montana, that conversation wouldnt have made any sense. Looking for Irish Whiskey to use in a recipe for bread pudding I paid a visit to our local liquor store and inquired as to the best Irish Whiskey available. I think its alot worse than some backward hick town in yankeeville. It is Bushmills that supplies single malt (The Old Bushmills Distillery is the only one of the three in Ireland that distills only triple distilled single malt whiskey, while the Midleton Distillery produces grain & pure potstill spirit and Cooley produces double distilled single malt, grain & potstill), as well as doing the bottling for Jameson, Powers & Paddys (All from Midleton, along with Red Breast, Greenspot & Tullamore Dew). I drink and enjoy both, but based on my experience(s) in Ireland lets just say watching you order a Bushmills in Dublin would be very entertaining. I grew up in a so-called Protestant area in west County Down where nobody really cares what you are. Though it is good to remember that Bushmills & Jameson were selling about even worldwide up until the mid/late 1990s, before Pernod decided to put all of its eggs in the Jameson basket. . A friend of mine hooked me on Jerrys Drink which is 1 part Jameson 12, 1 part Irish Mist and a quick splash of 7-up or Sprite. When it comes to what crosses my lips I guess I am an agnostic. Theres not catholic or protestant whiskey. In the tv show The Wire McNulty made a comment about not drinking that fucking Protesant whiskey when asked by Bunk why he always drank Jamesons. Bushmills is distilled in County Antrim, Northern Ireland. Not enough time to read through comments. I am definitively a black bush person but I was mentioning that while spending a lot of time in Ireland back in 1998, I saw, while visiting the Bushmills distillery, cartons of Jameson bottles on the bottling chain. Not sure if it is available outside of Ireland, but if you can, get a hold of a bottle. It was largely untouched by the Troubles and paramilitaries. Good evening All, My wifes grandmother an active protestant would not let me in her house due to my faith. Whiskey has no religion. I sincerely doubt that there are too many Irish Catholics who care about the religion attached to what they drink. As the Protestants had pretty much a stranglehold over all shipping in the country, they refused to ship Dew in favor of the Protestant-produced Jameson. I must have been misinformed. In my opinion, its one of the blandest, albeit smoothest, whiskeys Ive tasted. I was told by one Irishman the RedBreast would change my life and another one told me that The Irishman Founders Reserve would do the same. Catholics and Protestants have a different view on the nature of the church. I am not trying to be offensive here, but really, it is just so dumb. Your grandfather may have lost friends back in the early 20th century to the Black & Tans and im sorry to hear that, but guess what? Whiskey is Irish, whatever brand (or religion), followed by Americans (as in bourbon whiskey etc.). Tulley Dew 10 Year Single Malt! Holy moly, In 1966, with the Irish whiskey industry still struggling following Prohibition in the United States, the Anglo-Irish Trade War and the rise of competition from Scotch whiskey, John Power & Son joined forces with the only other remaining distillers in the Irish Republic, the Cork Distilleries Company and their Dublin rivals John Jameson & Son, to form Irish Distillers. And while the distillery had a larger proportion of Protestants than Catholics, this was down to the demographics of the area in which the town of Bushmills is situated which is largely a protestant area and the employment status reflects that. Why even Arthur Guinness was a prod. Bottom line Bushmills 16 yr has won my top pick in Irish whiskey over the 21 yr and Middletons, Redbreast and all the others. Wonderful thread. After all, thats what the Jacobites were all about. The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including: Backlash against the Weimar Republicand the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s Anti-Communism Nationalism That was in fact untrue. But generally, if you like it sweet, you like Jamesons products (including Redbreast, 1780, and Powers) If you like it dry, youll prefer the Busmills lineup. He was anti-Republican and his family was instrumental in organising the Orange Order in Dublin! And as you can check from the email address I come from Finland, a protestant country. My mother, an Irish protestant spoke hatred against the Catholics. The make up of the folks who work at Bushmills reflects the religous makeup of Northern Ireland roughly 40% Roman Catholic. We were up near Bushmills this past summer during our Ireland vacation (on our way from Belfast to The Causeway) and our Tipperary-based guide recommended not stopping there due to the companys historic treatment of Catholics. No one here has a soft spot in their heart for Paddys?. I often wonder why those Irish-Americans (usually in Irish bars of Boston or New York)who bring up this absurd and frankly bigoted discussion about Protestant & Catholic whiskey do not apply the same rule when it comes to drinking that most Irish of drinks Guinness. Ian Paisley MP, Euro MP and MLA; universally known Doctor No. Arthur Guinness was a Protestant and a Unionist. And as our clan motto states commit thy work to god. Powers is for shooting, some of the swill mentioned here is OK for mixing and when I want a little variety, I go for a double Connemara 12 never get tired of the peated smoothness and wonderful finish. All Irish whiskey is great. 1996 in coal harbour Vancouver BC. : ). Still love it. The three also exchange used casks, when need be, if they have extra. Contrary and challenging to the end- does this not sum up the Celtic spirit, whatever its origin or leaning? Me, Ill opt mostly for the great spirits of the independent Cooley Distillery, located just north of Dublin. However, the only brand of Irish I ever saw in the Balkans was Tullamore Dew. Whiskey hasnt got a religion. In 1827, production was reported at 160,270 gallons,[5] and by 1833 had grown to 300,000 gallons per annum. Period. As the graph below shows, close to half the Irish American population is Protestant, while just one-third of Irish Americans are Catholic. This is coming from a protestant raised irish man from the local area. So, which Irish whiskey is Catholic? I was aware of the obvious problem with the claim that Bushmills is 'protestant whisky' but this gives a great insight. Though I guess thats for a different forum. The answer is that it depends on the distillery. It is either good or it is not. But none of it means much, anyway: both distilleries are owned by huge international entities: Jameson by French liquor conglomerate Pernod-Ricard, and Bushmills by the English firm Diageo. @Allen: I think it show more the bigoted nature of your tour guide than it does Bushmills. Theyve also started work on a massive bottling plant on site to bring all areas of Dew production back to the town. Starting with Bushmills which I am using as a warm up to my usual Wild Turkey 101. Palate Catholic fiction teaches us then how to better read the Bible, which demands the both/and reading of the letter and spirit. It was the anti-Catholic hiring practices that Bushmills employed in Northern Ireland that fueled the snub. Not what I would call a cheap whisley, albeit there are many out there that can cost a fair penny more. I find Jameson to be a bit too sweet, I guess. As far as I know, spirit doesnt really care which way you worship your sky-fairy. [3], As the distillery grew, so too did the stature of the family. Not sure what Guinness has to do with this, but your claim goes against everything we were taught about him, but maybe history is just whitewashed for us Yanks. Thank you for the real-world experience! Then I must be the luckiest Arab in all o Ireland!. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85N-43REag. It was one of the longest and most destructive conflicts in European history, resulting in millions of casualties. Catholic and Slovak-American, my personal preference is Jamesons. I was born in buncrana moved to Derry then to Belfast and am now living in the uk Im Catholic and I must say I prefer Bushmills to Jamesons although Ive been a life Long fan of Jamesons it doesnt matter whether your Hun or teag drink what you like dont bring sectarianism into it itll spoil the taste. Ill take one next time Im out. Maybe they will bottle the Cork supply in Tullamore in the interim. Im not sure if this is truth or myth but I cannot drink Bushmills due to there even being a chance of truth in that because of the awful stories I heard about those F&[emailprotected]$&$ convicts (the black and tans) the Brits let loose on the people of Ireland. Powers' Morte d'Urban, for example, the novel may strike you as the slightly humorous failures of an all-too worldly priest. The new distillery opened in 1975, and a year later, production ceased at John's Lane Distillery and began anew in Cork,[1] with Powers Gold Label and many other Irish whiskeys reformulated from single pot stills whiskeys to blends. I even have taken a liking to Bushmills Irish Honey when Im in a cocktail mood.Not being Irish and not wanting to get political. As a proud Corkonian, I feel the need to set the record straight. I think Paddys may be even rarer in the US than Powers. The full like of Bushmills (and a couple of other Irish whiskeys) will be available for sampling at Whiskies of the World on March 27th. Then I spent another 20 minutes clicking around at random on your site, and then I ended up at this article, neatly explaining the first part of the joke. Religion and booze dont go well together so its a subject that perhaps should be avoided. To this day, even though IDL sold the Bushmills distillery to Diageo a number of years ago, the bottling facility at Bushmills still handles some of the bottling of Jameson, Powers & Paddys. [11], In 1961, a Coffey still was installed in John's Lane Distillery, allowing the production of vodka and gin, in addition to the testing of grain whiskey for use in blended whiskey. Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant. If it was a genuine issue then bars wouldnt serve both. Terrific reading. My grandfather lost friends due to the awful abuses that were brought upon the Irish in the Republic by the Englishs Black and Tans, rumor has it the original owner of Bushmills was granted the right to distill due to the fact he helped suppress the Irish in the north from uprising against the British. Powers is a brand of Irish whiskey. Currently, I go though a case of Jameson for every bottle of Bushmills that we sell at our bar. Ive lost members of my family to the IRA in THIS generation. As regards the Catholic v Protestant whiskey debate. During this period, when the Dublin whiskey distilleries were amongst the largest in the world, the family-run firms of John Power, along with John Jameson, William Jameson, and George Roe, (collectively known as the "Big Four") came to dominate the Irish distilling landscape, introducing several innovations. Delicious, soothing, contemplative. Required fields are marked *. For the record I have had many a session all over the island both North and south. [7], In 1871, the distillery was expanded and rebuilt in the Victorian style, becoming one of the most impressive sights in Dublin. This is wayyyy late, and I apologize, but the record needed to be set straight. Personal life experience. In a TALL glass.one shot of Most of those comments are from Americans who watch a lot of television, Im afraid. @Allen: Thats just my point. Bushmills also provides single malt for Powers, while Midleton (where many of teh Irish whiskies are produced) provides grain whiskey for the Bushmills blends. As for the religious differences, its always been easier for those not in the mess (in the US, England) to say and perpetuate things over that of those who have to suffer the views and manipulations of outsiders. Jameson has distilled fine Irish malt which has been then sold to Bushmills to use as a blend all of the way through the most controversial of times of Irish English relations to current. And a true story: as a young Dublin barman I was confounded by a true-blue Dubliner who asked for a large Shirley Bassey. Drink which ever you palette desires!! Theres a scene in season 3 of The Wire that went right over my head: McNulty asks the bartender for a Jameson, and the bartender asks is Bushmills ok? McNulty comes back with aw, thats Protestant whiskey! Grudgingly, he accepts, but asks for it neat. Not sure this is the right spot, but an Irish colleague and I, had this debate last week around Bushmills v Jameson in an Irish pub, here in New York. 17-18 years old found the love of my lifea catholic girl. Thats like native Americans boycotting jack Daniels because of American colonialism. It was fine w me, because the Jameson Distillery tour was fantastic. Memories. The whole time I was in Dublin (or even while I was Belfast) I never once heard anyone say anything about any whiskey having a religion. Patrick Irish whiskey tends to be a lighter style of whiskey than Scotch or American whiskies, but that doesnt mean its necessarily lower in quality. I can see you have been horribly scared by the conflict. Lived in Ireland my whole life and as an avid whiskey drinker, both scotch and Irish, Ive never encountered that conversation. But my personal preference is Redbreast, a twelve-year pot still Irish whiskey produced at the Old Midleton Distillery and a real delight to sip while enjoying a late-night Irish breakfast of sausage, egg, pudding and soda bread. [8] After expansion, output at the distillery rose to 700,000 gallons per annum, and by the 1880s, had reached about 900,000 gallons per annum, at which point the distillery covered over six acres of central Dublin, and had a staff of about 300 people.[3][1]. Funny thing is, Jeffrey, that at the end of your debunking of the myth, you subtly reassert its validity in rightly noting that Bushmills is owned by Diageo, a company based in a largely Protestant country, while Jameson is owned by Pernod-Ricard, which is based in a predominantly Catholic country. Also, your giving Prince Harry more money to go on vacation, maybe Vegas again perhaps? Up here in Canada (BC) its quite difficult to find. The worst mistake I made was ordering a Bass Ale in PJ Horgans on Queens Blvd. Ferdinand II was a devout Roman Catholic and relatively intolerant when compared to his predecessor, Rudolf II. But the Bushmills Distillery Reserve, a bottle of which my very, very good sister recently brought back as a gift from Belfast, is holy smoking delicious good. Irish whiskeys obtain much of their flavor and color from the coating left inside the barrel from the bourbon aging process. But I must say my absolute preference is Jameson 18 yr old. Im Irish American and I volunteered for both Sinn Fin and Irish Northern aide. It has earned a permanent place in my cabinet right next to my Glenrothes 1995 which I prefer over all the other SM brands including MacAllan 18 & 25. Class dismissed. And not to get too specific, but given the choice, Irish Canandian Dry in the clear glass bottle (opposed to the green bottle or Finches). If you are not an active Catholic or Protestant. I do live in a Hicktown. [3], Following reform of the distilling laws in 1823, the distillery expanded rapidly. Powers gold label is absolute shit. Another Figoli Quinn Website (Digital Ocean) | Wow, not one mention of Tullamore Dew. These two fine whiskeys should be enjoyed in a glass and not on some pseudo-religious podium. The Master Distiller, Colum Eagan, is indeed a Catholic himself and comes from Co. Laois in ROI. This is quite common from what I hear, and yet another argument in opposition of politicizing these two whiskies. Bushmills on one end, Jamesons on the other. as the visit was ending up with only 3 tiny plastic glasses half full. Is Jameson Protestant whiskey? Hats off to all the others. Being RC from Ulster, Ive had Jameson (and other Cork products) in plenty of Prod pubs (whether in Belfast or elsewhere) and plenty of Bushmills in RC pubs (whether in Dublin or in staunch republican areas of Cork, Kerry, and elsewhere), and never been hassled over it. History matters which is why the Catholic/Protestant thing is relevant. It is a fact that Bushmills is distilled in Northern Ireland, and Jameson hails from County Cork in the Republic. [8] This was a notable departure for the firm, as for many years the big Dublin distilling dynasties had shunned the use of Coffey stills, questioning if their output, grain whiskey, could even be termed whiskey. John Jameson was Pentecostal. Bushmills isnt produed deep in the heart of protestant country its produced on the north coast which is mixed catholic and protestant, sure the catholic stronghold Glens of Antrim are down the road. The numbers level out when it comes to religions those. Not one of ya mentions Knappogue Castle. CATHOLICISM vs PROTESTANTISM!! Seriously (though I actually was), I very much appreciated the original article, as I had had often wondered about that Jamesons = Catholic; Bushmills = Protestant thing. In later years I looked more into my family history and came to realize that my Fathers family were local Baptists and my Mothers were Czech Catholics. The good news is I dont have to worry about car bomb in Hicktown. I have even concocted a drink for St. Patricks day,. If you read J.F. As for those Tyrconnell expressions: major thumbs up. These are the books and tools I use every single day to make drinks at home and behind the bar. This was a long term plan but theyve brought it forward by about 8-10 years. Bushmills I like, but I like Irish Whisky best of all the brown stuff. Ive always preferred the non-woodsy irish Whiskeys so Powers, Knappogue, Red Breast, and recently the Spots have been my drink of choice and never was a fan of bushmills. Beaumont Funny, I thought of addressing that as I was wrapping up the post, but then thought, Nah, the chuckleheads who read this website arent smart enough to draw that conclusion. Guess I was wrong. Shortly after reading this post I dropped by Mortons to see a bartender friend. In: St. Patrick's Day. There are many places in the States where old ideas hold fast including the brand of Ouisge Beatha you drink. The other part is that Powers is for everyone else who just doesnt give a f**k. Drink what you drink and like what you like. bushmills / black bush or a shirley bassey as we call it is by far thwe superior whisky in the lower price range. The fun is is teasing those who do not know/care to understand. Corvallisbarman is half right. 1 line was bottling Bushmills. Eamonn, I thought all that was in the past and your country moved on? . Redbreast makes for good sipping but for my budget Powers is my standby. Instead, American Catholics drew exten sively from an earlier movement launched by Father Mathew, a Catholic friar in Ireland.1 This article analyzes the ways in which lay Catholics adapted temperance 1. Redbreast IS great for sipping (especially for the price) and Powers Gold is fine too. Im a man who likes to know what he is drinking. Historically a single pot still whiskey, the flagship Powers Gold Label brand was the first Irish whiskey ever to be bottled. Initially a war between various Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmented Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general . Is Misty protestant? Im trying one at a time to see what I prefer. 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