Both are true. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. Theres 30 men in the room. Thats thats a much harder relaunch. That didnt happen. Sin has real consequences and sometimes those consequences are permanent. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. SMH. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership. And welcome to the podcast. What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? uterus or clean out a womb after a stillbirth (because these treatments are labeled abortions, and even that word brings out comments like yours). 28 Feb 2023 13:40:27 "Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald": Julie Roys' Response February 12, 2019 Cherie Vandermillen [Julie Roys] I never thought I would hear an evangelical, mega-church pastor talk about planting child pornography on the computer of an executive at a Christian publication. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. If you went back to when the Elephants Debt was launched, I think this is telling. . Like wow! And in case you dont know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. It wasnt an argument. . Literally more than two dozen people. Production and performance have replaced biblical exegesis and fellowship. And so I felt relief. First he used to walk up and down the isles and second it was a bit more exegetical than primarily exhortation based and those dynamics flipped. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. I agree. This was a many time thing. And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. Yeah, yeah. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. And we already know the answer: the men are in charge no matter what and despite their failings and abuses. . His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. Im sad for his fall. Yet another American megachurch is immersed in accusations of wrongdoings. Im Julie Roys. Thats what the weight was. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. And I got it. So he did that. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasnt it? Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively. We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. No One Knows. Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because Im getting bits and pieces from different sources about whats going on and whats happening. And its to warn people, right? The way James MacDonald is said to have treated others while pastor of Harvest and the way he behaves on Twitter dont seem to be in keeping with the way the New Testament says we should behave. Gosh she is just filthy with gossip as fact and at very best half the story. And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I cant believe were not going to do what Gods word says. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. And and again, I got out of this like so unbelievably easily. From the overflow of your heart your mouth (and thumbs) are speaking. And what happened in all the backroom meetings, private conversations, and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? On that Haiti trip. And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. Unfortunately, immature children in grown mens bodies seems to be a thing now. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. So thats, thats February 5, 2019. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. I need to repent. We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I dont remember that. The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. Theres no joy in doing this. And again, this was on the churchs dime. This is James said what he said. I remember one other elder leading over to me and said repentant people dont ask for money. Voice of James MacDonald Believed to Be Featured in Vulgar Comments. I felt physically sick reading the letter. It was so much easier to read and understand. And this was a spiritual battle. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. Hes asking for money. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. But I knew I needed to do it. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. Wow! The multi-campus Harvest Bible Chapel in greater Chicago along with founder James MacDonald, has slapped several former workers and independent journalist Julie Roys with a defamation lawsuit alleging the publication of false information about the church, its finances and governance that resulted in the loss of 2,000 members. I mean, just stuff that you just cant even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. This wasnt anything else. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. Thanks! H arvest Bible Chapel and founding pastor James MacDonald have announced that they plan to drop their lawsuit against The Elephant's Debt bloggers and Julie Roys after a court today denied. Whoever said the dumbest thing had to take off an, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation. Thank you. Okay. Is that an accurate representation? According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. And it became so obvious to be like that that was what it was. Visconti wins the Internet! Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. If youre truly interested in hearing other views ask why or tell me how you landed there. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. He would probably be wildly successful. To donate, Lead Pastor and Exec Team of ARC Megachurch Resign Amid Allegations of Bullying and Financial Misconduct, EXCLUSIVE: Dozens Say ARC Megachurch Pastor Bullied and Shamed Staff, Volunteers, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. Gary, Makes me sad and understand why his life went out of control. It was a four hour meeting. Thats a Tuesday night. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. Id read through everything and all the letters. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. 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