"Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. If the cap fits.on the other hand if it doesnt then I accept your apology! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. Have mercy! But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? Could you tell me the difference? You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. You were rightthat was not very mature. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. Not on Amazon it aint! Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. In case theology and ecclesiology sounds almost too technical and dulljust remember we are talking about who is God, and what is his church? Finally that book! [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. It demonstrates a mindset that says this is MY church. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. by RELEVANT. Opinion Preston Clegg. David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Sitting in a restaurant in Charleston, North Carolina, we were delighted to meet a group of four men, who included a young man from the UK, who was working for a church called Elevation in Charlotte. Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. MacArthur argues that confessing Jesus Christ as Lord is a necessary component of free grace theology. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). as there are with me. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. Purpose doesnt have a parking spot is no substitute for many are the plans in a mans heart but it is the Lords purpose that prevails. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Market data provided by Factset. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. And lets talk about finance. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. You can find the details here. How easily the lure of money and outward success can lead a good man astray, and sadly take with him many people. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? If you stop and think about what you have written you will I hope grasp what is wrong with it. Your endorsement of Williams book which I have now read is indicative of that. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. (2Tim. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. It just looks weird. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Cho discovered that Grace Community Church advised women to stay in abusive relationships and worked to have the church apologize for past mistakes. Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. I Gotta Reply This Is So Pathetic, First Of All As A Leader In Christ Steven Furtrick Is A Good Pastor And If You Really Heard His Message ,He Is A Man Of God And He Only Speaks The Truth You That Are Workers Of Iniquity Be Sure That Youre Sins Will Find You Out Second Of All How In The Hell You Gonna Sit Here And Judge A Man Of God ..I Believe God Called This Man To Build His ( God) House And Get The population Ready For Whats About To ComeAnd Its Far More Then Noah And A Flood.If There Were Many Pastors Like Steven Furtrick In This World There Wouldnt Be So Much Hate And Crime And Killing Drugs Etc News People Why Dont You Start Digging In The People That Are Really committing crimes Stop Digging In Something You Know Nothing About Cause If You Really Knew How God Works . Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! I'm a bank robber. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. It happens. 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. Dear David, Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. You then go to the other extreme and say that I am lumping every mega church together. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. Required fields are marked *. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). Regards. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. all Christians are the same etc. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. Conclusion: And now I wait. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. 2) There are inherent dangers in mega churches which some of your other contributors have highlighted. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. That is just nuts. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. complete with standing ovation. It all depends how you measure success! Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? Can I suggest a little more humility? Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. . G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. He is a ministry collaborator with . For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! March 5, 2021 . Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). Timothy Nerozzi is a writer for Fox News Digital. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. See what mine own hands have wrought. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. pokmon the series xyz. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. To this end he cites the biblical passage of 1 Timothy 2:11-12. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. In case you missed the news, Christianity Today is reporting on a pattern of spiritual abuse on John MacArthur's Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. Drawn from over fifty years of intense Bible study and regular expository teaching, John MacArthur's verse-by-verse study notes, book introductions, and articles display an unwavering commitment to interpretive precisionwith the goal of making God known through His Word. If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Well, given that many years ago I encouraged one of our young people to complete his studies at Spurgeons College and accept an internship at First Dallas Baptist, it would have to be that one. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . or redistributed. Firstly in the teaching. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! I hope this mature and open enough for you! "[23][24], In 1983, MacArthur first published his belief in the doctrine of "incarnational sonship." Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. - John MacArthur", "John F. MacArthur - The Master's Seminary", "MacArthur Appointed Baptist College Gets New President, Name", http://www.bing.com/search?q=When+was+the+MacArthur+New+Testament+Commentary+Series+completed%3F&go=%E3%82%AF%E3%82%A8%E3%83%AA%E9%80%81%E4%BF%A1&qs=bs&form=QBRE, "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit", "Reexamining the Eternal Sonship of Christ", "The Loving Husband: A Portrait of Christ", "Can Women Exercise Authority in the Church? Really? L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. What am I gonna do? Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? Thats hypocrisy, and no, that doesnt constitute name calling. New International Version Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. I'm a bank robber."[41]. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. Do they not see the danger of this? One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? He concludes that he is far from the principles of the reformed faith in many ways and explains why he thinks that. Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. what evidence do you have for that?). John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. Were deeply grateful for that. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? 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