I've modified the trigger pull on mine a bit. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. I feel like this is the answer and I plan on purchasing one soon for myself and my wife. That is the EXCEPTION!! He probably also thought that a .22 LR will bounce around inside the rib cage. I am. I doubt that lady would have had time to reload. Either one will do the Trick unless it happens to be a VERY RARE ATTACKER who has a super tolerance for pain & Blood loss or is on some kind of super man DRUG!! -- For 9mm, some who prefer high capacity and easier recoil, I understand. If you want to stop a varmint, use the largest projectile feasible. Saying Islamic Terrorist attacks were really just another "gun violence incident" is a vile misrepresentation of reality. That's more foolishness. A group of people tried that, and he killed them all, I think he killed three men with a .22 rifle. The G30 is my EDC, the G36 is in my car's glove compartment. So, I disagree with the Taylor KO index . If you are special forces and you've resorted to using your pistol something has gone wrong. I really admire the professional comments that was written. So, if you consider 10 rounds of 45ACP sufficient, then, definitely, the choice would be the Glock 30. And yet after reading all the evidence about the benefits of 9mm and I'm already heavily invested in 9mm (and happy with it) I'm still looking at buying a 1911 because it seems everyone feels like they have to own at least one. However, if trained professionals only have 20-30% accuracy, it's not unreasonable to think that many of us would only have 15-20% accuracy in a self defense scenario. Most shooters I knew had taken classes under Jeff Cooper and were total .45 ACP cranks. The angle was about 45 degrees because I feared complete penetration if fired 90 degrees. TB. My first thought is: .45 is better because it's bigger. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. Nothing against the 9mm, I own several, for the range, not for carry. I like the expansion of the Ranger series so I will stay with 45. (To be fair, felt recoil is more directly connected to muzzle energy, not velocity, but velocity will impact energy.) practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. Go ahead, cite your experience. I don't want to carry anything bigger. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to modern .45 caliber handguns like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. The only drawback is that it is not super concealable for every day, but I havent looked into a shoulder holster. Provided that you live in a free state, 9mm in 135 HydraShoks or 147 V-Crowns or 147 HSTs hands down . /end of debate. This testing is very valuable to many 9 mm shooters. 9mm: FMJ (Military Classic) 115: 389: 1234: 9mm: FMJ: 115: 338: 1150 . I was watching COPS and some ACCIDENTALLY shot a 45 at a motel, it went across a 100 foot (or so) Court yard through the Flimsy motel doors Hit a man standing up and the bullet fell into the man's POCKET!! ======================= The first one is indirect evidence. As a beginner, I'm going hiking with lots of bears. Go with comfort, shot group & confidence. I own both 9 and 45 because I enjoy both and in a shtf both will be needed. The results are clear, and they are not mine. Lots of experts claiming facts on stopping power, energy, penetration, etc. Add in the big, fat, slow, it would seem the only advantage of a 45 is if the target is in the room with you. My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. But the 10mm has the speed of the 9mm & is even faster & has the power of a .357 mag ---- .41 mag depending on the ammo you buy Plus it holds 15+1. You have the triple package. If you are in a do or die situation and there is still one bad guy left you need to put down, and you only have one bullet left in your mag. Its maximum pressure is 36,500 psi, which is four percent higher than SAAMIs spec for the more common 9mm Luger. Pansies . I was working off averages that clearly didn't account for the extreme edge of the versatility of the 45 ACP cartridge. Thank you to our allies, we could not have done it without each other. Not that a low rent trash bag would be wearing a vest if he decides to break in your casa but with the cost of bullet resistant vests getting cheaper and cheaper any things possible. I'd rather have a .22 short revo than just my index finger. 9mm defensive brings it on par with 45acp and 40s&w ball - and that is what it needed to meet for it to outperform them since you also get the gains of capacity, less recoil, cheaper, and easier to train with. lbs.). The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. The FNX 45T and a few others hold around 15 rounds. If a guy rushes you with a knife and you shoot him with a few rounds of 22lr in the chest he'll probably die. If youre firing 9mm ammo with a pistol caliber carbine, expect to get another 5-10% velocity out of your ammo. This page was last edited on 24 February 2023, at 12:37. And yes, I know memes are meant to be funny - its just that, unfortunately, the rest of the world can occasionally get a little weary of US flag waving (not saying its your fault; besides, were expecting Americas return as the worlds good guy after January. A range instructor at Camp Pendleton once told me most would-be handgun shooters would be more effective hurling the pistol itself at the enemy rather than trying to aim and fire it. Getting back to the point the 9mm gives less recoil and many cops nowadays cant shoot for shit. been there done that.To quote a man who has shot some people"you can kill a man without stopping him and stop a man without killing him" shoot him with a hot 9 that fails to expand due to being plugged with leather jacket and rips through with only say 20% energy transfer or 70 pounds roughly and he is gonna be on you. If the bullet enters the wood at 90 degrees to the direction of the grain, the density is much greater than if the bullet is travelling parallel to the grain. Some times much faster. They are not 'cheap' as in inexpensive, either. Fragmentation, on the other hand, does not reliably occur in handgun wounds due to the relatively low velocities of handgun bullets. Try firing one off indoors in the dark with no ear protection. Josh surely has the skills to know that the results of this test on recoil and accuracy are more important than VELO only. And this is all before we even talk about the lack of concealability of .45 ACP double stack. A couple of things: 1. This negates the added magazine capacity advantage of the 9mm. Then you have the kids that own that one 9mm pistol they spent $600 on and they think it's the best thing since sliced bread. I knew folks who carried small .22LR automatics (Beretta etc) or light weight revolvers that family could Mail to RVN. But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. 20 ~ 30% accuracy, you have got to be kidding? with your statement 9mm has less recoil. The lesser destructive force is balanced out by higher accuracy over multiple shots and more ammunition available in states without restrictions. Click here to learn about more handgun calibers. Or you could end up in prison. Then rinse and repeat as needed. Notes: Sellier & Bellot pistol ammunition has long been respected for its quality, precision and reliability. YouTube sets this cookie to store the video preferences of the user using embedded YouTube video. I carry and would defend my life with 9mm round. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. Accuracy is affected by the stress of being shot at, the need to establish effective cover, high respiratory rate from the exertion required to get to that cover, moving (and sometimes multiple) targets and other factors. Case: Brass. So the only real advantage 45 has is being inherently subsonic. I'm sure he had to have some counseling, but he did his job and survived. . Mass times velocity is momentum. President Reagan was hit with a 22 lr & we almost lost him. My son bought 00 because he thought it was a good idea to be absolutely sure he could take an intruder down, where birdshot might be 'iffy'. At home, 12ga and .45 ACP. Stop trying to justify taking effective weapons away for less effective ones. It gives perspective from both sides. I like the beef of an ACP. When you said buy both at the end I was thinking .45 for carry and 9mm for backup. Energy is a square of velocity. I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. Once you're done with your YouTube videos, come back when you get some real world experience with that one 9mm you've taken to the range once. Need more.? The 1911 has a 3.3" barrel and is also small. The matter of fact is that the three most commonly carried/used semi automatic calibers (9mm, .40 s&w, .45 acp) are all equally quite weak compared to shotgun and rifle rounds. My nightstand pistol is a Glock 41, but I would only grab it if one of my AK47s stopped firing. I cant say how other .40 S&W feel/shoot, but any of my friends that have shot the 96 love its accuracy and low recoil. I personally know of more more people surviving being shot with a 9 than a 45acp. He survived wounds to the chest, back, both arms and both legs. Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. My Browning 1911-380 actually has a longer barrel than my Kimber 1911 Ultra CDP. Again, I am not claiming anything is conclusive, but what I can say is that it does not appear that lighter faster bullets appear to penetrate more. In the case of average muzzle energy for a given caliber, that would be the 9x19mm. The Army, (of course), received them first. Now I carry a 3.2 inch barreled 9mm. I know that if my threat has consumed a narcotic I may have to fire my 9mm several times to stop the threat but if I hit my target with my .45acp the threat will be on the ground before it realizes that it has been hit. Over penetration should not be an issue. I have them all. The damage is the same and no 2 wound channels end up being the same on 45 or 9mm. So much quicker to re-aim, quicker to re-fire and hence more accurate. Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. Also loud as hell - enough to alert everyone in the house and even if you miss, the intruder is less likely to stick around to hear the mechanics of a pump signaling a second shot is on the way whether they're armed with a piece or a crowbar, unless they intend to harm you, rather than just steal your stuff. disagree with your conceal ability statement, sorry. We say these things and move on. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. I have both 9mm & 45. The truth is both velocity and mass increase penetration just as both increase energy, but this is what we have to realize. If I am going mowing in bear country, my 1911A1 and eight FMJS are with me in case God forbid a bear attack.s. Go out and shoot some pumpkins, you will see the massive difference between 45 and 9mm. That federal gun control laws are hard to come by because of all of the above. If the latter is true, the .45acp is still a better round. The .45 stopped them in their tracks. Hi Holmes, you're right. That is why some like the 9mm short or .380. In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel, which were weakened by fragmentation damage. Did you know Eve was not the first woman? Personalize your experience. My EDC is a Glock G30 and I have two Home Defense weapons, a Glock G21SF and a .300 Blackout AR 15. The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. Agreed. Returns Policy. I don't think the debate will ever be answered. There are videos and statistics comparing 357 and 45 acp. Great article!! The market is glorious in its options (if not in availability)no matter your intended purpose, training level, physical stature, etc there is choice that will fit you. If you're hiking with bears, I presume they would protect you. Best argument I ever heard was, even if your hollowpoint fails to expand, a .45 will always punch a .45 hole. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. Because out of all my handguns, this is the one I'm most accurate with. One of the BAD things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is the DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS!! What metric are we using to judge us as the winners of ww2? hang yourself an old school iron skillet for a target. Our Friends lbs. Loading 41 mag to pussycat loads could bring it down to cross over with the 10. Don't be scared but owning a gun is a responsibility. Rounds were fired over an Oehler 35P chronograph at a distance of five feet from the muzzle. I agree. For mid-sized pistols I like .40 S&W which tends to cut the difference in capacity, ammunition cost, projectile mass, and muzzle velocity between 9mm and .45 pretty nicely. (Adding my own word here: in other words, once a bullet hits the nearly 2000 FPS mark, temporary wound cavity matters) And Federal claims that their new Hydra-shok Deep in .380 consistently meets FBI standards for penetration, expansion, and weight retention. Whereas the 00 might outright kill them. So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. So, get training. The .40's heavier bullet means that when fired, it has a little slower velocity. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: They went back to the .9mm due to the fact that the new meat in the FBI were not man or woman enuff to handle the .40. I offer two pieces of evidence to support my notion that .45 ACP penetrates slightly more on average. 250 plus opinions here and counting but for once I'd say they're not like A holeseveryone has one yet none stink. 9mm in the field just makes sense, for all the reasons Eric lists plus those of you fine, well informed readers. Its good advice and have fun digging. Gun writer, Josh Wayner, reveals the results of his 9mm velocity trial. Look up ballistics tests 9mm eats as much ballistics gel as a 45. .308. However, I have to admit youre way ahead of us with the second amendment! One ammo for all. I had one patient shot 11 times with what looked like a .380 or 9mm, hard to tell on xray. Just ask the coroners - they can't tell the difference between someone shot by the two (they came definitely tell when a rifle is involved though). I went with the 45 Smith&Weston MP2 Shield that is good foe me. But my favorate is 45acp. Nurses in some states and in some situations and doctors are the only ones that can. And then some more. Thats what I carry now.Always will.When that loud bitch goes off it gets everyones attention..especially the turd youre trying to ghost. What seemed like moments after making my calls to get .45, I was again on the line with several of the same fine companies to acquire some 9mm. A 9mm will sting ya but a 45 will break your ribs. Just my two cents. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. The 9mm is well established as a reliable handgun cartridge, but if speed is your goal, the 5.7 delivers faster muzzle velocity. Heavier projectiles shed their kinetic energy more quickly than heavier projectiles. Well this is not the case I give you the words of Randy Garret. While predominantly utilized in semi-automatic handguns, AR-15s chambered for 9mm are popular, and 9mm revolvers are not an uncommon thing either. This reaction is recoil. Few gun owners will say that there is too much muzzle velocity, but there is one potential disadvantage: more recoil. I have many .45 and 9mm. Im also not worried about cost when it comes to my defense, no compromise there either. I have been shot, it happened in the suburbs back in '74. Its lighter than the 21, has greater capacity, and I can switch to .357 Sig in less than 30 seconds with nothing more than a barrel. You have seconds literally to get your gun on to the bear. In most cases, the larger the bullet you have, the slower the velocity. My personal favorite without a doubt is the 1911 design, even though it's heavy, expensive to shoot, and has a limited magazine. For me, it's an SR1911, an old 4x4 Toyota with a stick, and a Pedulla my choices on all 3 are exactly the same i thought that was oddly coincidental since all 3 are not the most common choices. Unfortunately for LEOs, the kind of training that can effectively simulate actual firefights is limited to our special forces folks, as most PDs dont have the budget or manpower to train well for actual gunfights. Hi Matthew. You effin ROCK! They're both about the same energy in most common defensive rounds between the two calibers. I once knew a fellow how kept a revolver loaded with snake shot on the living room mantle (kids and all) so his wife would have something to fire at an intruder which would essentially scare him off without killing him. It allows more ammo and is faster than the 45. Prvi PPU 9mm Ammunition White Box PP9124WB 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket CASE 1000 Rounds. The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. Enough with the clownery. Better find out. Which is why spec ops and the FBI still have 45 acp in their arsenals. I decided to further streamline my test by using three pistols from the same manufacturer. What I am saying is 9mm is a better round in all the metrics that matter. The truth isneither gun has a total advantage over the other one, and your personal preferences will play a lot in determining which handgun is for you. I dont have a problem with the recoil of any of the calibers so thats not an issue for me. = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. Old, Fat and Slow will do the job on the other hand depending on clothing choices I've been know to carry a 9mm or a 380 and I'm comfortable with having the choice, 10mm The same gap between the 9mm vs 45 still exists. The main drawback is the 8 round magazine (WC). And the one kept loaded in the bio-lock case bedside is the Colt's Government Issue, with 2 clips of Hornady Critical Defense alongside. His first patient was a guy shot right by the belly button. Few people carry the G 34 however which is usually used for competition shooting. How well you can control the weapon is a HUGE factor. Even in states with restrictions, you will shoot more accurately with 10x 9mm vs 10x ACP, so there is that in favor of the 9mm. The link is entitled to be wrong lol, the capacity of 9mm the distance and all is great . The more energy, the more potential for damage. But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! I am not a Glock guy by any means, but ammo is ammo and I always find tested results like these to be useful. The whole point of a defensive firearm is to STOP an attacker as quickly as possible. If you are going to use 5.56 x 45 make sure you get ammo that uses 69 to 77 grain soft or hollow points as they are far more effective than 62 or 55 grain full metal jacket. 1 shot equals. Remember the reason for the .45. Everything is a compromise. Maybe we can have that as a debate topic? The average 9mm hollowpoint increased in energy by just 50 foot-pounds. Saying you can stop an attacker faster with a 9mm than a 45 is absolute ignorance. At such a distance a 45 round would be a lot more effective than a 9. Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. A variation of the _gat cookie set by Google Analytics and Google Tag Manager to allow website owners to track visitor behaviour and measure site performance. I see you thanked Sig Sauer and Black Hills at the bottom, but no results for either in the spread sheet and none for Sig in the graph. More velocity, bigger size, more magazine capacity, great penetration, manageable recoil, compact frame. In my .45 version of this test, I ended up with three Sig pistols and a Smith and Wesson. You end up with the same energy as a .223/5.56 but with less risk of over penetration , which is great for a situation like home defense when you cant always know whats on the other side of the wall. A shift to the right or left could clear the background behind them. But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. One thing I see a lot of people point to as proof that the 9mm is nearly identical to the .45 ACP in performance is the FBI testing protocol. yeahyou say the 9mm bullet has gotten better, but in reality both have gotten better. Shot placement will be your main concern with any bear. I think That's exactly why the 9 is so popular. I own both, a Colt Combat Commander .45 and a Glock compact 9mm. We really have the best there can be in terms of equipment so learning to employ them is the big issue other than defense against democrats. "Facts" for silly children, maybe. 3. We are now restricted to 10 or less rounds in the mag here in Washington State. And also i want 9mm both of them. 9mm vs. .45. It is up to you to determine the compatibility of any ammo with your particular pistols. There is a difference between an LEO and a civilian. I could not agree with you more on every level. But thats still a bit of a long shot for a sidearm in a firefight. Well the most elite special forces still use 45 acp, is it because it is better? I have owned both and prefer the 1911A1 style and stopping power. To summarize: I once was like you, but since having been here I have become educated (not brainwashed) and a happy gun owner, because: 1. I settled the issue by having 32, 380, 9mm and 45. You said: "With a .45 you can hit him anywhere, even in the arm or shoulder, and you're going to knock him down. Why is that? But that's all a moot point. For pure destructive power there's no contestnone. Wait until he starts moving toward you? . Bullet Weight: 124gr. While there are a number of compact .45 ACP models on the market, as a general rule, you can expect the 9mm to be more comfortable to carry in a holster. Preferring a 9mm for higher capacity and easier recoil is one thing. I would most def go with 9mm for carry You never know how many attackers you will be dealing with & if they all have weapons themselves, the more ammo you can shoot the better Plus if you scared of not a enough knock down power with the 9mm. From Firearm Wiki: The Internet Gun Encyclopedia, Velocity by Barrel Length of Various Calibers, Firearms Chambered in 9mm (Palmetto State Armory), https://firearmwiki.com/index.php?title=9mm_Velocity_by_Barrel_Length&oldid=1702, About Firearm Wiki: The Internet Gun Encyclopedia. This is a valuable consideration to those who want one load across the board for their carry gun and duty rig. In a self-defense scenario, you're using your firearm because if you don't, you or a loved one will be harmed. Click below for a FREE LESSON! If you THINK you can shoot accurately while adrenalized, then you're whistling past the graveyard. Velocity / Muzzle Energy Test Results. We can hit a moving target at 75 yards away. Again, velocity and mass both increase accuracy, but mass seems to get us there more quickly just as we see with penetration, while velocity appears to build energy more quickly. 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